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Is this really true though? UK is building new reactors, France has many. Wind and solar are both massive successes across the continent. The North Sea still has oil and significant new LNG storage capacity has recently been built.


Wind and solar have not been a 'massive' success.

And renewables can only get you so far.

Wind/Solar/etc cannot produce fertilizer - arguably the most important use of fossil fuels.

And the EU's land does not produce enough food to support its population without fossil fuel derived fertilizers (requires lots of nat gas). Hence why the EU still imports $billions of Russian fertilizer despite publicly talking tough about Russia.

The EU leaves fossil fuel extraction to other countries and then imports the result while loudly shouting about their own "morality" and sustainability. It's child-like and pure silly-ness. Until the EU starts fracking they will never have independence over anything.


> Wind/Solar/etc cannot produce fertilizer - arguably the most important use of fossil fuels.

You can create ammonia (and thereby nitrogen-based fertilizers which you are probably referring to) from electricity, water and air alone. However, doing it with gas or oil is often cheaper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s44160-023-00362-y

However, the process is very old and proven, see e.g. this historically significant and well-known facility from 1907: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk_Hydro_Rjukan


Not only is it far more expensive but Europe is already electricity constrained.

Renewables in Europe simply can’t scale up to meet the need for fertilizers the way nat gas can.


>It's child-like and pure silly-ness.

The EU or your hysterical reply?


I would love to engage a logical rebuttal of why my statements are incorrect.

Apologies for including an ad-hominem insult that triggered you emotionally. I would edit that line if I could.


I think your concern on fertiliser imports is overblown. I find the argument that the EU shouldn't champion & invest in renewables while it also continues to use and import fossil fuels a false dichotomy. The same goes for fracking. I also don't accept the argument that pristine independence in one sector (energy) is a base requirement for overall sovereign independence. For sure, some home grown control over energy is a requirement but we live in an interconnected world and whatever the EU may lack in one area it has more than enough ways and means in other areas to assert its power and achieve its policy goals. It's also quite capable of and not afraid to invest on a large scale when/where it's needed.




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