Everyone who put mandatory stuff on YouTube and only here. Two last examples I faced recently:

- Companies who put their product instruction manual exclusively on YouTube

- university curriculum who require you to watch contain that is on YouTube only.

Sure I'm free not to buy any manufactured products or not resume my studies, but it's like saying the Gulag was OK because people were free not to criticize Stalin.

the shorts are on the home page for doomscrolling. all the examples above will give you a playlist or will embed the videos in their pages. I don't see how shorts on the home page are a problem here? could you clarify please?

Funny how the “are they making you go on YouTube?” goalpost moved.

"going on YouTube" and complaining about shorts made it sound like you were going to the home page where shorts are shown as an option.

going on YouTube to watch a single video from a manual is a very different thing. I didn't move the goal post, I pointed out your motte and bailey position.

There no motte, and no bailey, I never talked about shorts in the first place (surprise, there are multiple users on this platform …) I just witnessed your bad faith argument about how people aren't forced to go on YouTube and proved it wrong.

The key problem isn't that YouTube has been degrading its user experience for a while, the problem is that we don't have anywhere else to go as YouTube is the most encroached monopoly in the tech scene (which is no small feat).

the whole conversation was about YouTube shorts. I was under the impression you were arguing in good faith - my bad.

The fact the the conversation was previously about shorts doesn't excuse bad faith rhetorical questions like “are they making you go on YouTube?”.

The funny thing is that you never gave me a slight bit of impression that you were arguing in good faith, and now you whine about that.

doesn't sound like you even know what good faith is.

lol

yes very funny.

Ironic, rather.