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Not so much the backlash, but what it means for America and the now old world order. Everything he stood for now requires a civil war or worse to sustain it.

Look at it this way, it shouldn't matter that he's black right? But he really needed to be a force of change, not someone who kept the norm and preserved the status quo. He was the highest democrat when they pushed Hillary as the next president and he endorsed her. He didn't jail the bankers, change the democratic party, do something about wage inequality, or about citizens united, reform the intel services after snowden,etc.. the racists can throw a fit all the want, but if he did a good job, it would have only hurt their cause. But his mediocrity and dying on hills like the ACA (because his mother suffered a lot, bad experience with health care,etc..) only made the moderates that voted for him twice retract.

You see how loud trump is and how just goes around bulldozing things? Obama was hired to do that job in '08. trump is doing it for fascist and racist ends, but the people wanted to hire a bulldozer. Now, if you ask me, this is all largely the fault of an ungrateful American public that don't get just how good even the lowliest homeless guy has it in America and how easy it is to lose all that we have. There is this infuriating foolishness that's endemic in America where there is a disdain for institutions, politicians, etc... and both liberals and conservatives have this disease. That's why everyone wants a bulldozer, and guess what, America is getting bulldozed right now.

Oh, and Biden was many times worse because he saw how bad it was under Trump and he doubled down on mediocrity and "return to normal" , he wanted to improve the economy and living conditions of Americans, leave a nice legacy or whatever. If only he was the president decades ago. he couldn't even fire his own attorney general for not convicting trump and locking him up. He knew a traitor to the country and an even worse person is about to run for president and he just sat back and stuck to ideals and optimistic hopes and wishes.

Obama's failure is that he didn't do the job he was hired to do and didn't adapt to the changing tides of politics well enough.



I think you're ignoring a lot of realities of US politics and the US government structure as set forth in the constitution. Remember after he got ACA through (which was a really big achievement), there was the tea party backlash. Dems lost the House by a big margin and nearly lost the Senate. That made it very difficult to get the kinds of revolution you're hoping for. Yes, I agree that he should've jailed bankers (and he shouldn't have chosen Geithner as his treasury secty), but I think he had too many wallst-beholden advisors there that told him that if he did that it would lead to all kinds of economic trouble. Not sure what your beef with the ACA is (probably that it didn't go far enough towards universal healthcare, and I can agree with that, however given the political realities it was a pretty great achievement.)


I don't have a beef with the ACA, it just happened to be Obama's priority, not the voters'. Occupy wallstreet wasn't about health care. You hit on the nail about his advisors,etc.. that's why maga keeps using "deep state" as a rhetoric.

Obama ran on change, he shouldn't have been "listening to advisors" like bush did with Iraq.

If he jailed bankers for example, both the left and right would support that, except the corporate ruling class and other politicians. The ACA on the other hand, there is a lot of misinformation around it that made it a partisan thing, and we still don't have universal health care, despite all the work he put into it.

I'm not saying it's fair, but even most on the left expected him to be a force of change, and that's mostly because he's black. The thing is, democrat presidents spend their first term cleaning up after the previous guy anyways, so I get it isn't realistic. But look at how trump is basically trampling on the constitution, long established norms and institutions,etc.. Obama didn't need to do all that, but he tried to be moderate and safe. Racists were going to hate on him no matter what, he needed to piss them and his own party off enacting change. Moderation and stability was not why he was elected.

And I think the democratic party lost its head a bit because Obama became president, they started operating as if America is now a liberal utopia, which caused a lot of moderate people, and even younger gen-z voters who're losing out on opportunities because of extreme liberal ideals to revolt against the left.

All that said, I have no idea what can be done to fix things. I just wish I knew how to brace for the fall.


> it just happened to be Obama's priority, not the voters'.

I think it depends on the voters. A lot of people at that time were not able to afford health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Or they'd have a plan that would get cancelled when they ran into an actual serious illness because the insurer would find some pre-existing condition that was ubiquitous. I was very glad that the ACA passed. Could it be better? Sure, but given the political realities it is what it is.

> even younger gen-z voters who're losing out on opportunities because of extreme liberal ideals

What opportunities are gen-z voters losing out to because of liberal ideals? If anything, the Democrats were much better on helping people pay for college, job training, etc.

> they started operating as if America is now a liberal utopia

But as you've indicated above, Obama wasn't even all that liberal. More of a centrist which seems to be what you're critical of if I'm not mistaken? Biden was probably more of a classical liberal.




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