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It makes me a little sad we only ever see FF hit the front page of HN for stuff people are angry about. The FF team building useful features like tab groups that are improving UX. But I guess if it bleeds it leads.


They make such strange choices though.

Like `Firefox Data Collection and Use` which includes `Send technical and interaction data to Mozilla` and some other stuff is on by default. [1]

Glean data is here [2]

Historically I don't think FF would have made that decision - now I have to periodically check what else they turned on without me asking.

I generally don't like telemetry but I really don't like telemetry that is on by default - that very much should always be a "Would you like to?" question.

[1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interacti...

[2] https://dictionary.telemetry.mozilla.org/apps/firefox_deskto...


Maybe the Firefox team should stop doing bad things if they don’t want people saying bad things about them.


One person's bad thing is another person's much-anticipated feature. As long as they're optional and useful for enough users to justify the resource expenditure, I really don't see the problem.


Optional and off by default.

Telemetry is on by default in FF.


Not getting in front page is likely not better then getting on front page due to controversial thing.(AI isn't "bad", its controversial)


The most likely outcome of taking that advice is they do nothing and stagnate.


The point is that it's the least bad browser ecosystem and it only gets negativity whereas Chrome, Brave, etc. get mostly dickriding instead.


"The policeman wore his belt in a way I didn't enjoy, therefore I will take up residence with the drug dealer."


There was a whole experiment with this "Tab Candy" thing a few years ago. And it failed and Mozilla disabled it and it got silently removed, well, almost, because a fair amount of people complained. I wouldn't be surprised if today's tab groups go the same way. Browser innovation is hard and at this point most of the innovation is in forks of Firefox, rather than Firefox itself.


Tab groups have become incredibly popular and were subsequently copied to Chrome.


I gave up on Firefox, sadly. I still use Thunderbird (which is apparently no longer part of Mozilla), but I couldn't deal with FF and Mozilla screwing around anymore.

I switched to Orion which has been working great for me. I'm happy to pay money for my browser and be confident that the money is actually being put towards maintaining and improving the browser.

I want Firefox to succeed, I just... can't justify it.

I wonder if they'd do better by charging $10 for a compiled binary and distributing it on Linux as an AppImage. I'd be happier to pay for that than send an unrestricted donation to the Mozilla foundation. Normally I frown on unrestricted donations, but something seems really off over there.


Edit: I normally frown on restricted donations.


>building useful features like tab groups

wow what an achievement. Vivaldi which has 1% of there budget had that feature for almost 10 years. Despite almost half a billion dollar budget almost all there good UI changes come years late being the last to add them for example profile management.

It is honestly embarrassing to compare Mozilla to companies like brave that actually created a private ecosystem without subsidization from there competitors.


Am I the only one who remembers the old tab groups that were removed before these new tab groups were added?

Edit: Ah, it seems Mozilla remembers: https://web.archive.org/web/20151112023150/https://support.m... (linking archive.org in case they take it down, this is the first copy I can find)


Right, Mozilla was actually first on the block with this. And even when they removed it it was available as an extension, because their extension ecosystem was capable of UI-level changes.




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