To me the charming thing about Emacs is how introspective a program it is. This goes beyond all the documentation being built-in, and being able to redefine things on the fly. For instance, it's easy to define a keybinding that does "Take me to the source code of the command that's bound to the next keybinding I type". When you use that and land at a destination, it will probably be Elisp code, but in some cases will even be C code - it works either way.
That and how smooth the customization curve is, from tweaking settings, to recording keyboard macros, to writing small helper functions, to creating whole packages. Compare that to something like Eclipse or IntelliJ, where there's a huge gap between changing settings and creating plugins. It's a sweet spot between semi-configurable text editors and full-blown "living ball of mud" systems like Lisp and Smalltalk.
Yeah, before Emacs, it never occurred to me to even think of trying to control my browser from my editor.
I never thought that I can type just about any text, not in the input box of some app, but in my editor - with Emacs, if I need to type anything longer that three words - in Slack app, Zoom chat, browser window, etc., I'll do it in my editor, why have I never thought about this before?
Emacs has no business of taking screenshots, yet I use it to do just that - I'd insert a screenshot while taking notes, OCRing the text out of image when desired.
Before Emacs, I never thought of playing and controlling videos from my editor or driving my WM from it - I simply never thought how advantageous could that even be.
I can't really use anything else without feeling constrained specifically because [mostly] nothing else allows me to type some Lisp in just about any buffer, evaluate it in place and immediately affect not only my editor but any computational aspect on a local or remote machine.
In essence, Emacs is a mindset. Non-Emacs folk often don't see the "actual use cases" because their minds operate on a different plane. And for some, once they crack open that door of possibilities, there's really no turning back.
> Non-Emacs folk often don't see the "actual use cases" because their minds operate on a different plane.
youve just listed a bunch of scripts launched from emacs. with your logic, you can take the lisp interpreter out of emacs, stick it into say mspaint, and have an equally powerful program.
Yes, it may sound like that to someone unacquainted with it. But have you ever thought about the reasons why Emacs remains relevant and triumphant even half a century later?
Here's really fascinating stuff: I can start a fresh new instance of plain, vanilla, clean-slate instance of Emacs; then open a scratch buffer and piece-by-piece rebuild my entire configuration, consisting of a dozen thousand lines of customizations; install third-party packages that bring hundreds of thousands of their own code; I can do that by evaling every expression one-by-one without not only having to restart Emacs even once, but even not needing to save that code anywhere. How many applications can you name that are capable of pulling a trick like that?
Sure, that may sound impractical, let me give you another, real-life example: I needed to change how Google Translate [extension] works - I wanted it to translate year denominations (to learn exactly how they spelled in a foreign language). Did I have to dig through the Google API docs? Nope. Did I have to write my own custom extension? Nope. Did I even have to re-implement the function that sends the payload? Once again, nope. I just had to precisely advise a single function and convert digits to words before sending the payload, something like eleven lines of code. And it took me no longer than fifteen minutes. Good luck trying something like that in pretty much any other editor.
So, yeah, getting exposed to that kind of power does change your mindset.
> I can start a fresh new instance of plain, vanilla, clean-slate instance of Emacs; then open a scratch buffer and piece-by-piece rebuild my entire configuration, consisting of a dozen thousand lines of customizations; install third-party packages that bring hundreds of thousands of their own code;
we're here to edit text though, I thought? It sounds clever but it might be clever for clevers sake sometimes.
It seems you're missing the point - that example is 'reductio ad absurdum' - a showcase of the logical extreme of capabilities, not an illustration of concrete practicality.
You seem to be blinded by your sunk cost, social proof, tribal identity, status quo, and other biases, so you rather reject novel ideas than accept their practical superiority in certain scenarios.
Emacs, in every respect, is a pinnacle of text editing in its digital form. Half a century of evolution and refinement with fundamental architectural advantage - a Lisp runtime that happens to edit text.
It makes it possible to edit any text that lives within its running instance and beyond - just about anything it can reach - containers, kubernetes pods, browsers. I can edit the URL of any tab in my browser directly from my editor; remote computers - I can edit a commit message on an EC2 instance; heck, even spacecrafts a million miles away - if it can gain access. More than that - there's universal bidirectionality - I can push any text into Emacs - from my terminal, my browser, or any app. If I allow access to it, I can even push to Emacs from remote computers.
I'm, by the way, not an 'Emacs purist' - I use Neovim daily, and sometimes VSCode too. I have used various JetBrains products - I was a heavy user of IntelliJ for almost a decade. Yet, getting exposure to Emacs capabilities proved that I was wrong in my prejudice and I should've tried it sooner. Like I said: it's a mindset-changing endeavor - without a heartfelt attempt to use it, it's unlikely you'll ever get what I'm even talking about.
> It seems you're missing the point - that example is 'reductio ad absurdum' - a showcase of the logical extreme of capabilities, not an illustration of concrete practicality.
such as?
>I can edit the URL of any tab in my browser directly from my editor
Do you really have to be a jerk? Or you were dropped in your infancy and you just can't fucking help it? Go seek some professional help maybe, it really hurts to see someone being so miserable.
Yes I lost my cool for a moment, we have a history with that HNemer. He made it his full-time job to troll, to the point that it makes me want to stay away from engaging any conversations on this site.
You're not the pot calling the kettle black, but please don't respond in kind to people like that ... if you simply ignore him and those like him (I know, it's hard) then your engagement with reasonable people shouldn't be affected.
> Extending Visual Studio in more than the ways it has already provided....It means freedom.
if youre able to edit the source code of a program, youre probably a programmer. you already had the freedom. and that can be done with git and the offline source code. its not freedom its convenience if anything
