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If true, would have massive geopolitical implications.

1) China has gone all in on batteries. A competitor from Finland would be shocking. Scale is the real issue.

2) Luckily Finland hates Russia so this probably can't be used for Russian drones





Nah.

Being able to scale out is far more important than the underlying tech ultimately. I'd expect that China would pretty quickly copy this if it proves out and would likely start outstripping them.


I don't really see why Finland would be unable to scale production though? Expensive workforce? Surely that could be worked around, Sweden still produces semis and have similarly costly workforce. What other impediments do they even face?

because building things in Europe requires complying with a myriad laws and regulations.

Not sure why you’re being downvoted, this is objectively true.

Saying this as a German, where the economy is the worst it’s been in decades and our federal government acts incapable at changing this so far.

Anyone who’s been to China, Israel or the US will be familiar with the pragmatism and, more importantly speed things happen in these places.

I do like Europes rules on civil liberty and privacy protections, but let’s not pretend the bureaucracy is on a unique scale across the board.


> Saying this as a German, where the economy is the worst it’s been in decades and our federal government acts incapable at changing this so far.

That's not true. Germany has a 200-points plan on reducing the bureaucracy. At first it sounds like a joke, but actual points would be transformative if all points were done... I don't see it happening.

As an example, automatic approvals if a response is done within a deadline would be huge. I don't see that happening.

Or possibly happening, then there will be a scandal, and it will be rolled back.

Another funny trick is a "We are looking at it" response, or "The EIA doesn't use standardized language in ground water section, rework it" (EIA was made by company that specializes in that).


It's true but the regulations are hardly insurmountable. As a German you may have heard of such European manufacturers like Volkswagen, kuka and reinmetal

As a Swede I can add Saab(aeronautics, not the defunct car manufacturer), Scania, and IKEA to the list.

Far from a exhaustive list, but proof positive that manufacturing can in fact happen under European regulations.


LEGO, Siemens, ABB, BASF, Bosch, Nestle, Airbus... you can keep doing this for a very long time.

I hope the tech works as advertısed because Finland is screwed due to the state of affairs with Russia. Not just militarily but economically, they have some of the worst unemployment rates in EU now and they are trying to figure out new economy without reliance on the trade with Russia, especially on the border regions.

Eh. There are at least a half dozen other companies with working solid state batteries outside China like Rimac in Estonia (with ProLogium in Taiwan and Mitsubishi), Solid Power in Colorado (with Samsung SDI) and QuantumScape in California (with VW's PowerCo SE).

Mass manufacturing them is the big issue.


Rimac in Croatia!

My mistake! You're absolutely right. Rimac is in Croatia.

no one hates Kyrgyzstan though ;)

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5622AQHRq_efww0ZsQ/feedsh...

regardless, batteries with 10% more wh/kg @ 500% the cost would be used for preciously few things, if any. after a few years of war, Russia had the presence of mind to revert to "quantity has a quality all its own" doctrine.




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