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I don't understand these low effort, superficial takes on complex topics from non-specialists trying to get visibility.\ This is literally 101 neural network/deep learning fact you learn when you are introduced to LLMs : it is a non-lossless compression of large dataset.

[Anredj Karpathy first minutes of Intro to Large Language Models / 4Min20](https://youtu.be/zjkBMFhNj_g?t=257)

Training is a compression of a huge chunk of the internet.

The replies and interactions looks like a bunch of agentic models discussing with each others. Nobody is real.


"prompt engineering" ....ouch. I would say "common sense"\ also the problem with software engineering is that there is an inflation of SWE, too much people applying for it for compensation level rather than being good at it and really liking it, we ended up having a lot of bad software engineers that requires this crutch crap.


"Common sense" doesn't exist. It is a term people use when they can't explain what they actually mean.


Not sure I fully agree - sometimes maybe, but I think in the majority of cases it's used when people feel they dont need to explain exactly what they mean because it should already be obvious to most people.

Example. "Always look when you cross the road" is a snippet common sense, with lack of heeding to that sense resulting in you potentially being hit by a car. Even a 4 year old wouldnt need the latter explanation, but most people could articulate that if they needed to. Its just a way of speeding up communication


I was quite old when I realized that Common sense is literally “common experiences”.

A colleague and I were lamenting a laughably bad outage that we thought showed a total lack of common sense resulting in an obvious issue. Then we both realized that the team had never had such an experience whereas the two of us had. Every member of that team now has that particular “common sense”.

Likewise, “don’t run in front of cars”. As a kid, a mate broke his leg running onto the street and getting hit. I think near misses happen a lot when we’re kids.

But far fewer has an “common sense” about prompt engineering because there’s just much less experience.


Also how common sense can exist with LLM?

There is no common sense with it - it is just an illusion.


Presumably it is your common sense.


Markets shift people to where they are needed with salaries as a price signal.

There aren't enough software engineers to create the software the world needs.


>There aren't enough software engineers to create the software the world needs.

I think you mean "to create the software the market demands." We've lost a generation of talented people to instagram filters and content feed algorithms.


To maintain ;) the software.


Lots of those „prompt engineering” things would be nice to teach to business people as they seem to lack common sense.

Like writing out clear requirements.


The less you use “crutches” the better you get, right? Judging by your comment, you don’t use Google, Stack Overflow, public forums (for programming assistance), books, courses, correct?


I've read Acer for some reason, and was surprise and disappointed it is actually Asus.


SEO Strategist sounds like "Prompt Engineer" i.e not involved in the foundational creation of the tools and their back-end, understanding their internal mechanics, what is really to create a "Search" engine and how it works but you're rather reverse engineering and heuristically guessing how they work on surface. In essence you're optimizing keywords to improve a resource reach for a search engine, until the said search engine changes its ranking algorithm. Because of this I cant really give credit to what you are stating. Plus this really felt like hyping Grok out of nowhere with those cringe screenshots of tweets as if they were made up, until you hype something else weeks later and post about how Perplexity AI will kill OpenAI (They won't, they are a ChatGPT wrapper). Google is presumed dead multiple times per month. Read their financial statement, Search is literally their Life insurance, don't you think they have their best guys on it?


Why do you think SEO Strategist sounds like "Prompt Engineer"?

Why do you feel I'm hyping Grok and predict "...until you hype something else weeks later"?

I just wrote a draft concluding that Grok might be an idiot after all after a stupid answer.

I don't know how well you understand crawling, rendering, indexing and ranking in organic search but I'm not sure you know what I do on a daily basis.

I'd love to be involved in the creation of tools, and I would love to try to understand their back-end.

I'm the opposite of hype. If you want to roast me, here's a video that should give you some inspiration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4zEadYJYIU


I was sucked in it for 1 hour


not if he is using his neighors

maybe he is using tor on top of it

who knows


I’ve never understood the neighbor approach. What’s the logic for that? Instead of your skin, it’s a person one door down from you, that was generous enough to share their connection with you? That’s not anonymity, that’s just outsourcing the identity to someone that probably extended trust to you. And if other things like Tor remove that connection, then what was the point of using a neighbor in the first place?


Generous to share? What makes you think the neighbor even knows about it? Also, one door down? They make antennas that can reach much further than that. If you're in a high rise building, you can even be picking up something from another floor in a different building more than one door down.

You're just not trying very hard if you're using your immediate next door neighbor.


This is an unnecessarily obtuse and pedantic response to the thought being raised.

Yes, a neighbor may not realize they're sharing their network, however, interpreting their "next door" comment as a literal unit of proximity doesn't make your comment look as intelligent as you may think it does.


This is an unnecessarily obtuse and pedantic response to the thought being raised and doesn't make your comment look as intelligent as you may think it does.


If you are hell bent on being a scumbag then there’s a whole different lack of rules.


kind of violent approach but I agree on the bottom line. I don't see why should somebody be enthousiast about this. someone was just able to spend 8× the figures a random teen is able to spend for his gaming rig, and he just iterated the teen's rig 8 times, he then installed ubuntu+cuda and called it a day.

something that is actually interesting that is attempting to bring something on the table : check tinygrad/tinycorp


I thought we safe and beyond these kind of considerations, especially in the EU, since the wikileaks/snowden/shelsea manning era? Aren’t we? Well, I guess you should never take something for granted…


People are never beyond evil. Just the justification for why they strife for evil will change. And to be fair, with the justification, the impact can also change.



1-The gambling business is shady by design, whether you like it or not. This was probably more risk than benefit for them based on what they were getting from you.

2-Your business is probably very profitable, and $300 a month is very cheap compared to the potential hassles they could face working with such a business.

3-I find it very inappropriate to dox business representatives and show names when you have carefully hidden any information regarding yourself and haven't even disclosed your company name.

After all they can choose with whom they want to do business. They gauged what price they could ask you, factoring in how profitable your business is and how noisy and painful it might be to work with you. It sucks but this is the downside of SaaS/PaaS.


Gambling site or not: Cloudflare took their money for years, failed to communicate any problems, then deleted their data when they didn't accept their "enterprise deal". There's nothing saying that they won't do the same to ANY of their other thousands of customers, many of who reads this forum...


Jup, that’s my takeaway. Even if they were in the “right” to stop serving the customer, the way they went about that is absolutely ridiculous.


To (1) - if this was the case, it would have been great if they had talked about it openly or in any way really. To (2) - I do agree that $300 is probably cheap. But I also think that $10k is very expensive, and it seems Fastly agrees.

(3) Mh, I don't think this is doxxing and didn't expect having names would be a big problem. I've just updated the screenshots anyways and censored the names of the representatives.

Cloudflare of course chooses who they want to do business with, but they also pride themselves in being neutral.


Cloudflare certainly handled this poorly in their execution and abysmal level of transparency, but they’re almost certainly purging loss-leading risky customers like OP and they really don’t owe OP the time of day.

OP is lucky CloudFlare even gave them 24 hours. I’m not going to dig through the their TOS or anything but I’m going to guess that you need to have an Enterprise contract to be a business of certain categories like banks/crypto, pornography, and gambling, which explains why they were being connected with a sales team.

OP mentions lost customer trust…but Cloudflare doesn’t want or need OP to trust them. $250 a month isn’t enough to deal with a business like that.


OP isn't the only customer whose trust they lose by handling the issue in this way. It's fine if they want to terminate a relationship with an unprofitable or risky customer, but doing it with insufficient notice to make other arrangements is pretty extreme. In a case of blatant abuse, that might be reasonable, but that doesn't seem to be the case here the way OP tells it.

I did quickly search the TOS for the word "gambling" and did not find it.


4. TERMINATION OF USE; DISCONTINUATION AND MODIFICATION OF THE WEBSITES AND ONLINE SERVICES

We may at our sole discretion suspend or terminate your access to the Websites and/or Online Services at any time, with or without notice for any reason or no reason at all. We also reserve the right to modify or discontinue the Websites and/or Online Services at any time (including, without limitation, by limiting or discontinuing certain features of the Websites and/or Online Services) without notice to you. We will have no liability whatsoever on account of any change to the Websites and/or Online Services or any suspension or termination of your access to or use of the Websites and/or Online Services.


Yes, that means OP probably can't sue them. My comment is about customer trust.


OP isn’t a customer (anymore), therefore customer trust isn’t a concept that exists for them anymore.

For everyone else, this clause is pretty much standard for all SaaS services. Take your pick. If you don’t want this level of service with any vendor you have to sign an enterprise contract where termination procedures are agreed upon more intentionally by both parties.


> OP isn’t a customer (anymore), therefore customer trust isn’t a concept that exists for them anymore.

I don’t know about you, but my customer trust is at an all time low, and I’m seriously considering at least moving all my registered domains off CloudFlare.


This comment still misses the point.

Any customer or potential customer who reads about this incident may have their trust in Cloudflare reduced, and rightfully so in my opinion. They have the legal right to terminate the relationship without reason or warning, but exercising that right in this context hurts their reputation.


This still doesn't contain the word "gambling". Instead, it says that they can terminate your account at any moment, for any reason, no matter what your business type is, which is the opposite of "trust".


Oh well, last I checked “gambling” will match with a .* regex pattern.


You said "I’m going to guess that you need to have an Enterprise contract to be a business of certain categories".

If that was the problem, this issue wouldn't be relevant to most people.

When you switch to "they can terminate anyone", and they act this rashly and unexpectedly, that means anyone needs to live in fear.


But that’s the norm for SaaS products, especially when you don’t have an enterprise contract where termination procedures are more robust.

So nobody is going to live in fear when cloudflare has the exact same TOS policy as everyone else.


The "and" is very important. The TOS is standard. Cutting paying customers out of your infrastructure so quickly when they haven't done something egregious is not standard.


Yeah, but "gardening" matches too. So are you proposing that gambling sites and gardening sites have the same level of risk?


No, but I am saying that OP’s company has a combination of risk and likely overuse of services from being a global gambling website.

Being a gambling website makes you an outsized target for attacks.

OP basically wanted to run DraftKings from the small business plan and CF understandably didn’t care to deal with a loss-leading customer like that.


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