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I'm pretty sure Meta's team has written about that at length. It's about many things, such as (power/transportation/internet/energy) infrastructure, political situation, available workforce, vicinity to population centers, property prices, and a whole lot more


That's disappointing, they've done a great job making plant meat ubiquitous and took away some of the hippy aura that has kept many people from trying plant-based meat alternatives. I really hope they can turn it around, both selfishly as a happy customer, as well as for the planet.


There's a 13 mini


I disagree. I'm reading and typing this from an iPhone 13 mini. I use a big one for work so it's not like I don't know what I'm missing. I very strongly prefer the small form factor


That's not true, the llama that's open source is pretty much exactly what's used internally


There's over 350M monthly active users. Seems like plenty of momentum?


I saw these numbers recently too and I honestly think they are fraudulent. Are they counting all the people who accidentally click on Threads as they are scrolling through their Instagram feed? I have literally never heard anyone bring up Threads in conversation, I never see it referenced on other platforms, I never see screenshots of the content there; why is this the case if so many people are using it?


Those numbers are a big legal thing because they influence share price. I don't know how exactly they're calculated and I'm sure the most positive spin is used (such as click through from instagram) but if they were actually fraudulent there'd be massive consequences. It's not like anyone is ever hesitant to sue Meta.


Fair point.


My mum sends me stuff from threads constantly


Do you find it’s mostly older people or younger people who use it?


Older


Interesting. I know Instagram’s demographic is aging but I had assumed Threads would skew younger.


I'd say the young demographic is on tiktok and the like.


IIRC Having an Instagram account automatically creates a thread account whether you choose to use it or not.


Unused accounts won’t show up in the active users number.


Is there any source for this, bar meta itself? It has no relevance at all. I see bluesky screenshots everywhere, but not many threads ones.


Bots, OF Adverts, and Scammers all the way down.


It's been 11 years. If they hadn't been bought they'd have found a different monetization model long ago


They kinda did. Before facebook brought them, the app cost $1/£1 per year (iirc your first year was free). Thing is back then MMS and/or texts across borders was expensive, so if you were regularly sending picture messages to people the $1/£1 sub was a no brainer.

Lets wave a magic wand and presume 50% of the user base thought it was also worth $1 a year and it grew just as well as it did (It was growing very well in the UK before the takeover just by word of mouth). That's still just a messaging app that would be raking in $1.5B per year today, and that's before you bolt on any paid cosmetics or upgrades (small things that users don't mind dropping a few more bucks on).


There's no way it would've gotten the adoption it did in 3rd world countries if you had to pay $1 per year.


Thing is, it already was getting that adoption, and network effect can largely take care of the rest. Also, some it’s tied to a real phone number, geographic price differentiation is trivial to implement.


Ok I paid the 1 buck, or agreed to pay a year later. Those days I lived in India, and my friend kinda forced me to use whatsapp by selling it. I still remember sitting in an auto-rickshaw and downloading the app after the sales pitch :) This must have been 2012, but could it be earlier - maybe.

Point being, I agree with you, it was getting that adoption anyways, even with the fees. And within months, I was hearing this from so many others.

How do I remember? I moved back to US in Feb 2013, so it had to be before that, just can not recall the exact year and month.


I think it grew there when you had to pay. It was still cheaper than the alternative.


And my understanding back then was that enforcement of payment was via the honour system. It was even possible to pay for your contacts, likely to make it as low friction as possible especially as paying for something on the internet was still a relatively new thing.


For $1 per contact, I'd be happy to pay for anyone I know, or ever meet in the future to keep a messaging platform ad-free/user-centric.


> the app cost $1/£1 per year

Not really. They claimed they'd charge this but then kept giving away free time to huge numbers of people because this wasn't an actual business model, they did it just to slow their growth down when they were running out of server capacity. It's discussed in some interview with the founder, iirc.


I happen to remember paying 1€ for Whatsapp.


WhatsApp make billions of dollars but Meta wants it to make hundreds of billions. There's no way to appease the dragon.


Curious how whatsapp makes any money besides the handful of companies that use it as a customer support portal


> handful of companies

Go to India. Way more than just a handful of companies using it


WhatsApp integrates into the rest of Meta ads machine so it distribute leads from facebook and instagram directly to whatsapp. It also makes money with spam.


WhatsApp makes absolutely no money with spam. There isn't a per-message cost or however you think that would work


There absolutely is a per-conversation cost for marketing messages.

https://business.whatsapp.com/products/platform-pricing?coun...

See also here

>With marketing messages, you pay for each message that is delivered to a receiver you chose within five days of being sent.

https://faq.whatsapp.com/178447635241069?cms_id=178447635241...


You are wrong.


On a global level it's completely pervasive.


How many of the people posting here that criticize this move are owners of Meta stock? The number is certainly above 50%, at least for those in the US, since most people with a retirement plan will own Meta in some form. It's the need to satisfy shareholders with new earnings.


So you’re blaming me because Fidelity bought some Meta for my 401K without me directly knowing?


Well, I'm saying we should be hesitant to immediately throw out blame for pursuing profit, because it's not just more money for Zuckerberg and other billionaires. If retirement funds were growing at 2%, the same people criticizing this decision would be looking for alternative investment vehicles.


What choice do we have? Indeed, I would rather prefer that the companies that comprise the broad market embrace some form of ESG ethos, but that's clearly out of vogue these days. I vote to that extent, but I'm a breathtakingly small portion of the vote when it comes to corporate governance.


How would being actively discriminatory against a large part of the population help anything?


That is not my case. If Meta had minted thousands of millionaires in my country I would have way less problems with them



Which sounds great except I can't find it or make it work.


Friends tab on mobile? Last I looked it didn't work on web for me


wow! let’s see if people return as a result!


It's... faster for IO bound workloads? That's literally the whole point of async


When people do cool stuff they share it on metas platforms, which drives ad impressions


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