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I suppose I need to add a disclaimer every time I participate in those debates:

"I am neither left, nor right, nor US and don't have any horse in this race."

But most of this just smells like classical strawman debates to me:

"They think X and this is stupid" "no we don't think this, we think Y and you think Z" "no we don't we .."

So my point with my question actually was: I don't think there is a coherent group calling themself "leftist" (nor "rightists"). So I don't think those debates lumping them all together are that productive, except for letting go off some personal steam.

There are of course people who call themself "left" and want their ideology to rule the world. And there are of course people who call themself right, who wants to do the same.

But to my knowledge, there are also lots of people left and right, who do not want this.



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