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Nvidia must be the fastest growing in revenue a company has ever been at their revenue, right?

If you adjust for inflation I imagine they'd have some competition from the robber barons, but it's hard to imagine.



They are printing money with H100. The cost of for Nvidia is maybe $3k and have been selling it for $40k+

TSMC fab capacity and packaging are the bottlenecks for revenue growth.


TSMC should be charging NVDA much more


woulda, coulda, shoulda

After Apple, Nvidia pays more than anyone else for the latest nodes. They reserved capacity for a price and they get it for that price.


Why it's not happening ?

For the first quarters after AI exploded, I thought it was just that contracts were already signed, but what's stopping them now ?


Because Nvidia can say no and nobody else (except Apple) is willing to pay more for the latest node.


Can really Nvidia say no ?

They are making 78% of margin on those chips - I would think that that leaves a lot of bargaining power to TSMC. They would loose much less than Nvidia.


You can't do shakedowns for your second best customer. Nvidia works also with Samsung for new 3nm nodes.

Prices are defined by the profit margins of Nvidia's closest competitor (AMD 4.89%.)


Why not ?

Nvidia may be working with Samsung, but they don't have any alternative for now.

So my understanding is, that TSMC currently has the monopoly on producing Nvidia chips, and Nvidia obviously has the monopoly on selling those chips.

And somehow, Nvidia is extracting 99% of profits from that situation, while TSMC is getting close to nothing. My understanding of game theory is that it should be way closer to an even split.

Could you elaborate on why the prices are defined by AMD margins ? I'm obviously missing something, but can't see what.


>You can't do shakedowns for your second best customer.

Except Nvidia is shaking down its best, second best, and all the rest of their customers!


Like an auction where you pay the second highest bid.


Nvidia can only say no if they have another shop to turn to. Do they?


The way that could play out is that Nvidia wouldn't buy directly from them, but somebody else purchases cheaper from TSMC and then Nvidia buys from them.

So TSMC would have to increase prices for everyone, but then for some it would be too expensive and so they would lose those customers.


That's not how it works. You can't resell.

Nvidia engineers work shoulder to shoulder with TSMC to squeeze everything from the architecture even before the fab is build. TSMC makes custom job for their best customers.

For old established process it's possible to send design and get functioning chips without a huge R&D hassle and loss of performance.


They have. Samsung is competing for Nvidia orders with their 3nm node.


Second price auctions are the efficient way to allocate supply in a monopoly.


The topline is that the meteoric growth has already occurred. 18% quarterly revenue growth is good, YoY growth was 15x that.


Imo this depends on whether the limiting factor is demand or production.

If it's production capacity, then if in a year they're able to get TSMC to make them twice as many chips, they could likely increase their growth rate?

I'd be sweating if I were any of TSMCs other customers right now and trying to renew my contract. Idk what the ratio is in size between an H100 and an M3, but I doubt it's anywhere near proportional to how much nvidia is willing to offer TSMC.


Nvidia is doing fine :), but it would be better for them if they were not limited. Hopefully, and probably, you are right and production is limiting.


>I'd be sweating if I were any of TSMCs other customers right now and trying to renew my contract.

How many TSMC's customers need the latest tech?


Anyone that wants to keep selling new phones every year?


18% quarterly comes to around 190% yearly, still _very_ good!


18% quarterly growth is 94% yearly growth.


oof, off by 100%, my bad


more like 90% lol


> meteoric growth

Are you aware that meteors only go down, never up?


Imagine the vindication Jensen is feeling at this point. Not even about the money, just about being so completely right after 20 years of hard work and a vision.


The A100 video needs to go in the museum exhibit. This is the one that trained ChatGPT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So7TNRhIYJ8


Imagine what Hinton or Lecun feel!


feel the AGI




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