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See now while I love this play I don't find that exchange notable. It's very plain, no? The implication is that one thought the other was going to say something but he wasn't. This exact dialogue takes place in real life regularly.

The alternative reading, where an entire exchange cleverly takes place without any substance, seems almost mistaken to me? In context it seems very clear it's "I thought you...[were going to say something.]" "No." "Ah."


No I think you are missing that what's funny about this exchange

It starts off with G thinking R has said something, but G is wrong - R didn't say anything. It ends up with G telling R he hadn't said anything, but again G is wrong, G started the whole thing off when he says Hm?

This is funny because R ends up thinking he'd imagined G saying something when infact the opposite happened.

It fits the characters well with G frequently being clever with no common sense and R having common sense but not being terribly smart.


This exact dialogue takes place in real life regularly.

One reason that it is funny is that it plays against that.

We the audience maybe forget for a moment that we are not watching real life. We are watching a drama or entertainment. So we expect something relevant to happen. That’s the convention.

The exchange plays with that expectation. It deliberately forces us out of our pleasant illusion and makes think us about our real experience - we are sitting in a seat and watching a performance, which is happening at that moment.

And nothing happens, just the same as real life


Yes, it's plain, banal, and even shallow; almost devoid of meaning. And there's genius in that. Who intentionally puts that in a play, without purpose?

It's the antithesis of Chekhov's Gun.


Sometimes, when lots of other people see cleverness but you only see empty banality, sometimes it’s a good idea to give a second thought.


Or you completely misunderstood my point.

At a surface read, it's banal.

In reality, it contains depth.


i don-t think so. the stage direction before that dialogue is:

(ROS and GUIL ponder. Each reluctant to speak first.)

if the dialogue should be clearly about who speaks first, wouldn-t the stage direction have been something like:

(ROS and GUIL ponder. Each reluctant to speak first. ROS tries to say something but does not) ?

i mean - you could play it like that. But then to me some of the beauty of that dialogue is lost, that comes from the fact that for the spectator it-s not clear what is the subject of it.


Literally everyone hated Clippy. It was an absolute mockery of a useful assistant or feature, and at the time everyone detested Microsoft. I think this post is satire.


Clippy really ... wasn't bad? It mostly stayed out of your way, occasionally showed a button to perform a useful task, and could interact with the help system without having to click through 3 menus.

It wasn't a panacea but it was at least positive-value, unlike most current AI.


the meme of "omg, clippy sucked and was sooo annoying" has overshadowed the actual level of annoyance from back in the day.

nobody used clippy, but nobody expressed vitriol. you just easily dismissed it and went on with your business.


I never got value from him


May have forgotten to change the avatar to the wizard


I guess his appearance appeals to SOME people..


I think we have our hacker/power-user blinders on. It was cool to hate Clippy.

But many non-tech-savvy users felt differently, and were accepting of the attempt to provide help.


what if clippy's true purpose was sales/marketing and not productivity?

back in the day people needed to be convinced that they needed a computer and that they'd be able to figure it out.

if you see clippy on a showroom floor or on your friends pc, you might think "oh yeah, i suppose I could use a computer to do that!".


Is it really a contradiction?

Convincing people they maybe should get a computer worked much better if they saw that it might increase their productivity.

Techy folks all already had one back then, and Clippy was aimed at those still writing their correspondence on a typewriter. I have no doubt that switching to a computer was productive for them, even if it increased Microsoft sales in the process.


yes obviously it's clippy because everyone hated clippy that is the point

the idea is that when your CEO goes on slack or teams or whatever and see 100 clippies they'll be "oh wow, nobody likes how we earn our dollar."

or the very least people who are concerned about surveillance will know who is on their team!

so just do it

I'm serious


Maybe it's the generation gap? As a kid, I loved that I could "play" on the PC with Clippy, which mostly consisted on trying it to appear and make it do something. I get that if you were trying to get some work done, it might have been annoying.


I didn't know what bogan meant either so I looked it up and I have to infer we are speaking with an Australian or New Zealander, hence the small vocabulary differential in our English.


Aussies speak something that sounds vaguely like English but it ain’t.


You know how it's said that eskimos have 50 words for "snow"?

Aussies have 50 meanings for the word "cunt". It can simultaneously be both the worst and the best thing you can call someone. And aussies know exactly which meaning is intended from context.


For the record, eskimo is a derrogatory term meaning "raw meat eater". The term Inuit is nowadays preferred.


Thank you. I did not know that. I shall strive to update my use of wording there.


It's easier than that, the meaning is defined by the previous word. Although you do have to be an Aussie to know that being called a "sick cunt" is high praise, while being a "dog cunt" is a mortal insult.


It also depends on how long you stretch the word cunt. Shorter cunt usually infers insult, longer cunts belie respect, and if it goes for more than a second, you’re probably watching Aussie rules footie or the cricket and something bad/good happened, depending on whether the pitch goes up or down in the last milliseconds.


I'll give you my two cents - I took a job in Perl in 2017 and set about learning it and found its community to be the most snobbish and unfriendly of any programming subcommunity I had ever encountered.

The language had many strange quirks and every question I posted about its particularities was greeted with responses along the lines of "Are you even trying? How do you not get it? Did you even read the docs?"

Well, yes, I did, and I still didn't understand, because I found them unclear.

I left the job and dropped the language and moved on to greener pastures without much regret. And it seemed like many, many people I spoke to had similar experiences with it.


The last time I dealt with the Perl community, I posted a question asking for an update on some announced changes. In a community of adults, it was a straightforward question with a straightforward answer, but that's not what you get with Perl.


Two initial thoughts:

1. This author's writing is extremely, uncommonly good. Good enough to write a book and have it sell. "Competing with the past of the economy," "residual behaviour of a world that treated labour as sacred," "immigration without immigrants" -- there are many elegant turns of phrase here. This is a very skilled writer.

2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search has been unsuccessful when his resume looks like an essay. OP, you gotta cut that text down by like 70% and put more highlights. This is the world of tiktok and instagram reels.


I can't really agree. I mean you scroll 1 paragraph down and it says he worked a Google Deepmind, that's really all I'd need to see. I think the market is just super hard for new grads. I've heard from people that had to apply to hundreds of companies and do 20+ interviews to get something.

Totally agree that this guy could write books though.

On some level I always wonder if it'll be better for society if the next generation of bright young minds gets rejected from these tracked paths to big tech or finance and instead are forced to do creative new things. Of course I feel for them too, and losing one's identity at a useful cog in the labor market is a fate that is going to come for all of us soon.


It mentions DeepMind but also says Research Ready, which is the program funded by DeepMind but run by unis for disadvantaged students.

That said I have no idea how competitive this program is.


Oh... that explains what's happening here.

It's frustrating for the participants, but typically for these "internship programs for disadvantaged students", future employers will not treat it as equivalent to a regular internship.

That includes the company that runs the internship. In my large tech company experience, usually the entire "internship for disadvantaged students" program led to zero job offers.

Honestly, it might be a good idea to avoid those programs entirely. You often don't get to work on "real problems" while you're there. The program exists for PR much more than to give you useful experience.

That said, I don't have experience with this specific program, so this might not fit the archetype.


>disadvantaged students

That's what it says on paper but that's not reality. If you are asian you are suddenly not disadvantaged even if you are an immigrant. It is just legal racism.

The fact that employers even get to play games like this tells you a lot about our current situation ironically.


"Disadvantaged" is not something that is defined purely by race (atleast in the UK) The key factors that are considered in your university application are all pretty much pure contextual factors IE; income, poor academic performance family history of higher education etc..

If you are of Asian descent in the UK the biggest factors to determine if your going to get into a program like this is not your skin color. Its an evaluation of you and your family's history and providing ascent to people less fortunate.


He’s in the UK.


DEI hiring exists in the UK. This is not something exclusive to America.


Most people couldn't define DEI hiring if you put a gun to their head.


Were you just going by his name when deciding he was a DEI hire?


You say that you can't really agree [about the resume being poorly formatted from having too much text?], but then you agree that there's too much text (if all you need to see is the 1 item of "Google", then you're saying there's firmly too much text, like 95% of the resume is useless).

Also consider that the resume has too much text in a pre-LLM world (e.g. this submitter doesn't structure documents for consumption very well, but I'll still read it). Post-LLMs, using an essay-format would make me suspect that the submitter didn't even write it (taking the time to read it is a big gamble).

Not to detract from the article's palpable despair. I genuinely can't say for certain that "well if they made their resume less verbose they'd definitely get hired", because I suspect there's a good chance they still might not. But it probably wouldn't hurt.


I'm not sure if this is a good approach or not.. but I've started just exploding my resume out, then feeding it to an LLM to create a job-specific version a few times... I'll edit the job-specific version a bit, which does cut things down.

I don't know it's helped or hurt, as I've only gotten a response from about 1:50 that I sent out before or since I made the shift and I know the job market sucks.

I still need to flush out some of the prior jobs in terms of older history, projects and accomplishments. I've done a lot of contract work in 6-12 month segments in the past three decades... It's kind of wild to look back on the shear variety, scale, scope and size of some of the things I've done and worked on.

At this point, I'm not sure if it's luck, ageism or just the number of short stints in my past... but It's a weird feeling in recent job market that I haven't felt in decades. 5 years ago, it felt like I was being overwhelmed when I wasn't even looking... today it's a mess.


Last time I was job hunting I did something similar: Write out everything I've done, even "silly" things like Haskell knowledge from uni, then comment out everything not relevant to a job until my resume fits on 2 pages. My Latex Template made this much quicker than it sounds, maybe ~10 minutes per application (and 10+ hours to create the CV itself...).

Two issues I see that haven't been mentioned yet:

1. A lot of companies, especially startups, are fake job advertising. They want to look like they are growing, and they might hire a golden goose, but many job ads I saw just stay up for months or even years.

2. A lot of companies, especially large ones, are using AI to pre-screen CVs. So you now have to get through AI, then HR, then a technical manager, each with their own sets of requirements. I've played around with some of the HR AIs, they tend to be quite... superficial. To give one example from the CV above:

> Ran small A/B tests and collected human-in-the-loop safety ratings to calibrate thresholds and escalation rules.

Is a perfectly good sentence, but according to AI should be:

> Optimized escalation rules and safety thresholds by conducting A/B test collecting human-in-the-loop safety ratings, reducing false-positive escalations by 15%.

Put your achievement first? Good. Strike out verbs like 'small'? Fair, it is a sales situation. Make up numbers entirely to provide a 'quantifiable result'? Complete crap. But it seems to be what every HR bot really wants to see, so now you have to sprinkle it in and hope it gets you past the bot, and doesn't make the technical manager think you're a complete charlatan.


It's that second one that I'm trying to actually work around by using AI to generate the trimmed down version. I just haven't taken the time to pull open some of the really old versions of my resume to flush out the history and to expand on older projects yet.

The whole process just seems to suck all around. As much as I never liked filtering through a stack of hundreds of resumes as a senior member in a time hiring, being on this side of the wall is even less fun.


I don't see the point of applying for "hundreds of jobs." I think use the time to network with real people and forget about Indeed or whatever because those jobs are mostly fake anyways.


> I think use the time to network with real people

It kinda doesn't work these days. One of the points of DEI was to eliminate the nepotism hiring (and it's kinda good if the hiring wasn't so broken), so these days referrals don't mean shit unless you're referred by someone high-ranked enough.

I've literally seen people being autorejected after being referred by team-leads these days.


I was auto rejected from a publicly traded company through internal referral because I applied to a remote position. My friend told me the recruiter told her that position wasn’t available to SF residents, only engineers in LCOL areas.


My experience is completely the opposite, every quick hire is a referral, jobs constantly ask for and bonus for referrals. The higher up the position the more it matters that you have a warm introduction.


Agree. The big public traded companies might be different but if a business owner thinks you can solve their problem and that will gain them more money than you ask for it is very easy to get hired


I’ve seen the complete opposite and have gotten my current role from a referral which the company took very seriously (guaranteed first interview).


Just saying "referrals are worthless" or "referrals are useful" doesn't mean much without specifying the type of referral. Obviously if you're talking directly to a hiring manager who's willing to bypass HR, it's much likelier you'll end up with a job than if you're talking to someone who sees an open position on another team and says he'll flag your resume on their ATS if you apply.


> I've literally seen people being autorejected after being referred by team-leads these days.

Yes. But not always. Getting an internal referral helps somewhere between not at all and a lot. And it is pretty random, nothing to do with you. Just a matter of timing and attention span and where other candidates are in the queue.

However, it never hurts. So overall, don't expect networking and referrals will get you the job, but do expect it to help every now and then. So it is worth spending some time on that.


What kind of real people will the average new grad have in their network?

A bunch of other new grads, all in a cage match over entry level that don't exist?

Where are the nativists, and why aren't they demanding a $100,000/license tax on AI?


If they are worthy, they will have parents who have influential friends and family.

Or if they have parents who have influential friends and family, they are worthy.


That works for people coming from upper-quintile backgrounds. What about the other 80% of the population, and any hope of social mobility for them?


Why would anyone in power care? There are no incentives for them to do so.


The people you know aren’t always in a position to hire you.


They are sometimes in a position to hire you.

I'm not in the field any longer, but when I was (pre-LLM) every job I got save one was through my network. And it's 100x more important now.


I haven't found this to be the case as much. Posted a job, got 100 applications, at least 10 had referrals. 10 is manageable for me to sift through but not the win the applicant thought. More than that, I found a colleague had a whole google form process to farm out referrals.


> farm out referrals

Why did they do that?


Bonuses. Usually there is no penalty for failed referrals, so the more people they refer, the more likely someone gets hired and sticks around long enough for the bonus.


Wow! Amazing. Can I ask, did the employer find out? (Did the employer like it?)


If you expand your scope enough eventually you’ll find someone. For example, my first job was from someone who knew my dad.


That's not a scope expansion, a first-order relationship within your family is barely even networking at all. Giving preferential treatment to friends and relatives is an entirely different world from what's being suggested above.

As one of those new grads, I'm frankly not seeing where I could expand my scope to. Most random tech workers, outside the people I know through a past job, wouldn't want to know me, a random person. Everyone always suggests networking and going to events in the vaguest possible ways, but I'm not seeing any results in terms of establishing actual, real, interesting connections through the watered-down LinkedIn version of interaction. I would have to either build something so profoundly interesting that they would come to me first, or get to know someone in the field via some different means (like an unrelated hobby). It feels like there's very little that can actually be done productively. If you already happened to know someone somehow, you have a shot at the golden ticket, otherwise it's pretty bleak.


I think you need to find one of those people collectors. I know one of them, and I could ask him to introduce me to somebody with <insert skill/interest> and he'll know somebody within a hundred miles.


I've made six figure revenue over the course of the past 5 years from introductions to new clients through a "people collector". Definitely a great person to have in your network!


I wonder how hard it is to become such a person. Just start telling people you're looking to be one, and I imagine they'll give you their business card in case you manage to become one and they need you in the future.

Of course, people skills are necessary... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcIMIyQnOso


I think it's a personality trait. He actually enjoys talking to dozens of people every day. He's friends with pretty much all the professors at the local uni because he turned up to random events as a student, and somehow he met a director level person at my company at the dry cleaners and they have regular catch-ups. he keeps a notebook of small facts about everybody in his network. COVID lockdowns were devastating for him.

In contrast, my Dunbar number is about 5. I need a few days to calm down from meeting new people. I can't imagine putting in the effort that he does in collecting people. COVID lockdown was a welcome break for me.


I hope I eventually manage to stumble into one of these. I honestly didn't know they had matchmakers for the corporate world. Since most of my connections are within my age group, most people I know are in a similar situation to me and also have most of their network feed back inward to other similar people. Finding someone like this seems pretty unlikely.


he's a lot younger than me, and he was doing it as soon as he started uni. I think it's a personality trait, although of course he spent time on improving the skill.


nepotism to the rescue!


hey it's "connections" :P


No, it's "networking"


I tend to think resume advice is overrated. There's so much variability in how companies screen them, who reads it, what they care about, and how they get read. People tend to give advice based on their idea of what a good resume should be like, but it's very difficult to properly measure how good some advice is. Saying "I'm not surprised his job search has been unsuccessful when his resume looks like an essay." feels unnecessary when you're overly judgmental on your preferences.

My overall impression of the resume is that it's fine, but I expect a ton of other candidates to have similar looking resumes. If I were to give advice, either create and demo a really interesting project and show it to someone who would find it interesting (maybe they've done related projects themselves), or find new communities and different groups of people that you share common interests with. It's hard to stand out with just a resume alone, and changing formatting and rewriting words don't change the underlying content.

https://urlahmed.com/assets/documents/am-cv.pdf


As a candidate, it can be confusing to read application advice. You'll often see people say that they look for x-y-z when hiring, which conflicts with when you saw someone say they look for a-b-c the week before. How can both be true?

Because both are true, for what they look for. But what's considered standard or desirable differs massively from one market to another - region, industry, role. It even differs at the most granular levels: companies, departments, interviewers. At some point, the difference in what is desired is just differences in culture fit. Applications aren't an exam and you shouldn't expect to 'pass' them all any more than you should expect to 'pass' every date.

If you are a hiring manager, you know what it takes to get hired at one company. That's less than what someone knows if they go out and get two job offers. So, do us a favour, don't muddy the water.


Hey, I’ve done recruiting since 2005. Here’s the most basic advice I can give you. It’s much more important to have stuff to put on your resume than is it to obsess over how the resume is formatted. Showing what you’ve done and what you can do in the goal. What I typically do for myself is focus on quality over quantity, and then stuff in a few extra keywords relevant to the kind of job I’m targeting.


I've had an interviewer give me resume advice that I implement, then the next interviewer tells me to undo what they said. Thinking about undoing the AI enhancements on mine after I saw a lot of people at a previous team using AI resumes including one that had verifiable lies.


> 1. This author’s writing is extremely, uncommonly good.

> 2. His resume is designed poorly… This is the world of TikTok and Instagram reels

Imo this is exactly the problem. We’ve constructed a system where brilliance doesn’t shine through. The idea that someone as thoughtful as OP needs to tiktokify their resume to even have a chance at getting hired is ridiculous.

I’m young, so I have no clue, but surely the job market didn’t always work like this?


Well, I think there's a middle ground between "tiktokifying" and "having your CV look like an essay." Brevity is the soul of wit, after all. These summaries of projects/positions are just very long. In this context, I feel they're too long. 1-2 sentences each should be sufficient, not extended paragraphs.

Many other commenters here disagree, though, so....clearly it's subjective!


It doesn't matter at all, if it's not enough that they have a DeepMind internship the rest are just trivia and details. People get hung up on details when they REALLY are just not interested in hiring.

No one rejects candidates based on the color of their shirt if they really need said candidate.


> they REALLY are just not interested in hiring.

That is the point of OP's article yes, that and the idea that being "out of distribution" is increasingly important. This, mentioning his unique qualities (e.g. a Deep Mind internship) and not his similar qualities (everything else) would probably be pertinent


Which is, of course, the meat of the matter. Nobody 'needs' to hire a junior anymore.


Eveyone needs to hire juniors, it's how seniors get made. Management thinks they're smart and have found a shortcut to save money, but it's only going to lead to degregation of skill at the senior level as well as raise the amount of money people that truly operate at a senior level can demand. I've already seen both happen where I work.


Nobody, in particular, needs to hire juniors. But everyone needs to hire juniors.


In my limited world view and 35 year career, the big shift I see (which I view is a problem) is that companies seem to lean way more on young HR types to recruit and filter than in the past. I can’t speak for everyone, but to me it seems it used to be a lot more common for the skilled hiring manager to be responsible for looking for new hires.


That happened because online job sites made it so easy for candidates to apply that hiring managers could no longer personally keep up with the flood. It's a bad situation for both employers and candidates but there doesn't seem to be any practical alternative.


But then you're making it even worse by hiring inexperienced HR staff to do your hiring? Who mostly make their hiring decisions on whether they would want to have sex with a candidate.


> That happened because online job sites made it so easy for candidates to apply that hiring managers could no longer personally keep up with the flood.

Yes, this is a big factor. As an actively hiring manager, there's nothing worse than when HR enables receiving resumes through linkedin apply. We got a flood of many thousands of resumes. While I feel a duty to review them all, it's just flat out impossible so I had to skip most of them without reading.

On my most recent hire I'm glad HR stopped that and required people to file through the company website. Volume was reduced to many hundreds, which is more tractable. I still wasn't able to review them all, but at least a much higher percentage, like 60% instead of 2%


There has to be a way to limit the flood--someone has to pay a fee someplace.


The only fee will be a subscription to AI LLM.

AI will do a cheap job of automatically filtering the potential candidates for a hire.

A suitable AI LLM can even be leveraged as automation that calls up the filtered candidates and evaluates them for the basics.

So that would filter the wheat from the chaff.

And then the humans can take the process further to interview and select the candidates for the hire.

So yeah, AI will replace the HR recruiters at least for the mundane tasks.


Resumes will be increasingly fake, at the same rate. We're already seeing this. Recently interviewed a guy clearly using AI interview cheating tools, which is much higher barrier and risk than just making up shit on your resume.


Anything that charges a fee for candidates to apply to a job is a scam.


Maybe only accept applications by post.


Ok - this obviously doesn't work everywhere but recently was flown to a city for an interview. Day long, full loop, 5 45 min interviews + 1 working session with a panel. Had dinner with the team the night before.

There's no way to cheat at that point. You either have what they need (yay btw) or its not a fit


The above posts are discussing how to evaluate and narrow down the avalanche of applications to decide who to fly in for an interview.


Though honestly 40 years ago, sending out hundreds of cookie cutter applications by post wasn’t that hard.

I do agree that once someone gets through an initial filter and screen they should be willing to meet in person. That has costs on both sides but, during the tech boom, one heard a lot of complaints by applicants that they’re no going to travel for interviews, dinner, etc. <shrug>


I'm 47. It has always been like this with resumes.


When I graduated from college in 2013, the common advice was to keep your resume to one printed page. Because people realized that job applications were all online and people rarely handled physical resumes anymore, that advice started to shift to "you can go onto a second page, if it is warranted." (My personal opinion at the time was that if an employer wasn't willing to expend a staple on my resume, then they probably won't worth working for).

I'm of the opinion that a two page resume is fine. Three pages would probably be fine if you needed to elaborate on something really niche like research, but at that point we're getting into CV territory (note that in the US, resume and CV are not the same and a CV is used primarily in academic or scientific settings; a CV is supposed to be exhaustive; a resume is not).

Funny that we're having this conversation here, though, because based on this particular example: the author's resume is fine. It needs punching up, and he should probably turn some of those paragraphs into bulleted lists, but I don't think it's too long.


Matches my experience. 2 page resume is standard for senior careers, everything below should be 1 page. The reason is simple: I'm evaluating if you are able to summarize the most important points for how you're fitting into this role into a very limited space. This is a important skill that transfers to many other areas and isn't obvious just by looking at the extensive list of your degrees and job positions. I trashed applications for the sole reason when i felt that the applicant missed the whole point of why i'm reading their resume. Yet some hiring folks may prefer it the other way around so it's also a cultural fit filter in some way.


No idea about small companies but FAANG companies get > 1 million resume submission a year. You need to take that into account, the recruiters and other people in the chain do not have time to read your essay.


Thanks to modern technology, every advertised job opening now gets > 1 million resume submissions a year, no matter the size of the company.


The way it used to work was you’d know somebody that’d know somebody and they’d vouch for you. But these days… it’s the same.


> I’m young, so I have no clue, but surely the job market didn’t always work like this?

No it didn't. Established (older) people saw it as their duty to help the younger generation become a part of the team. Today's older generation have nothing but hate and resentment against the young, and nobody considers themselves as having even the slightest duty towards younger generations. Maybe for their own family members, but usually not even that.


I agree but then the reality is that we are here now, so it's no longer ridiculous. So if you are that brilliant, you understand that there is no point of fighting the current, so to make your life easier and to get the job where you can feel fulfillment, you might have to adjust your CV to fit the reality. That is a part of the intelligence you need to adapt and has always been.


Something something lemon market…


Buddy, the amount of people these days with MASTER’S degrees that can’t even communicate via 2-3 (short) paragraph email exchanges… yep, it can be rough out there.


Why do you think any of that has to do with being a good programmer?


He calls it a CV and given the education background is British it's more inline with what a CV is meant to represent - a deeper dive into your background and experience - compared to a resume which is a condensed 1 page summary.

In the US we often use the term interchangeably but internationally they are quite different.


True, but I don't see a separate resume on the site. Correct me if I missed it but my understanding is that he is using that CV as a resume.


Resumes are normally tailored for the role. The CV is the raw source you use to tailor them. It's a little strange to have a blanket "resume" available for public perusal.


It would be weirder for that blanket resume to be accompanied by posts about how much your wedding taught you about b2b saas sales with your photo, location, and a list of all the people you met through work and are willing to say you're connected to.


> 2

I see people say this literally every time someone complaining about lack of interviews posts their resume. We shouldn't have a system where every job seeker is supposed to be more of a resume formatting expert than the average HR rep. The fact that someone looking to hire is going to see an okay resume of a highly qualified candidate and say, "LOL too long; didn't read" is the most glaring symptom of what he's talking about.


It's not the formatting, it's the content. A resume that tells me what I need to know without a bunch of extra fluff vs an essay tells me about the author's priorities and it'll be a deciding factor when you have hundreds of applications to go through.


People should deal with the world as it is, not as they wish it were.

As it is, open job reqs get hammered. A hiring manager needs to rapidly discard 95% or more of resumes to get down to a manageable number to directly review. The last time I had an open job req I closed it at 500 applications that came in between Thursday afternoon when I opened it and Tuesday morning when I closed it.


> His resume is designed poorly.

Yeah.

OP - shorten it! Make it easy for hiring managers to quickly glimpse what are your key skills. Is it Python? PyTorch? Tensorflow? C++? When I'm flipping through resumes to decide who to screen, I'm looking for keywords. You're not giving me keywords so I'm going to be annoyed by your resume, and that might give you a weaker shot than you'd otherwise have.


There's a skills section that lists keywords. Personally, keywords mean relatively little to me, because I don't think of people's skill sets as being static, and anyone can learn anything.


It is less about the content and more about the design. It is hard to skim. Recruiters receive thousands of resumes and need to be able to get the key points at a glance, and I just don't feel this design effectively works toward that goal. Everything's there if you spend the time to read all of it, yes, but a resume's goal is often to get someone to notice it fast - not to convince someone after a long leisurely read.


If someone wants to use keywords as a screening mechanism for resumes, they don't need a human recruiter to do that, and some automated tool is perfectly able to parse keywords. You could over-index your resume on the prospect that there's a human recruiter as the first screening mechanism and that recruiter is going through every resume and skimming for keywords, yet isn't very good at identifying relevant keywords quickly, but it's a relatively meaningless micro-optimization overall. Keep in mind they were able to get multiple internships before with presumably the same resume structure, so it's already proven to work well enough.


It's like the old progressive JPEGs or GIFs where the first few kilobytes were enough to render the whole image at a lower resolution and the rest just filled in the detail.


Something like bottom line up front would work for resumes as well.


Ha, you’re right.

And I missed it when skimming

The people looking at your resumes will skim because they have a lot of resumes to look at


He is driven by project based learning, which to me helps me a lot understand his CV right from the beginning


His CV is fine, better than most of the CV's I've seen recently which are just tech-wank-word bingo.


That's what you need to get through ATS. Resumes are for HR. Unless specifically asked (or e.g. directly emailing someone around here) save the fireworks for the interview.


I had a similar thought. “I was never this articulate as a fresh grad”

I don’t know enough about the job market apart from anecdotes.

But I also know there are a lot of shortages in the trades.

So SOME job markets are slow for sure. But others are still desperate.


> 2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search has been unsuccessful when his resume looks like an essay. OP, you gotta cut that text down by like 70% and put more highlights. This is the world of tiktok and instagram reels.

I disagree. He just needs some nicer-looking template and that would be a perfectly valid CV [1]. Perhaps reducing a bit some paragraph, but not by 70% at all (nor 50 or 40).

[1] https://urlahmed.com/assets/documents/am-cv.pdf


Yeah, just increasing the font size of the section headers 4 pts and the lines with the job titles 2 pts would do wonders. Maybe also put the locations in italic and decrease the line spacing around the location lines.

But even with the current resume I'd still call this guy in for an interview if I were hiring for an ML position.


His writing is good but he's speaking with such authority for someone with virtually no experience. Dismissing the explanations from those of us who have been around the block several times because he believes he has some special insight.

I mean he might fill some Gladwellian niche of being confidently wrong on topics he has only a basic understanding of I guess.

It might pay for him to listen for a bit.


Oh, I'm sure the person in question has heard this many times, coming in to the job market. Chicken and an egg problem, it is.


Ad 2.): I finished college in a good economy and got a job with less then perfect resume. When we have been hiring in good economy, again, we hired people with bad resumes. We gave them a chance cause we needed people and everyone was hiring. They seemed ok during interview and turned out to be good employees.

My point is, this nitpicking about whether CV is too long or tiktok like is just result of a bed economy and companies having 20 applicants for one position. And if this guy perfectly hits random set of signals to get hired, it is just that someone else will be unemployed.

When you have 30 grands on 3 positions, the overall employment situation wont be solved by them writing better CV. That is just the game of musical chairs we are playing to get jobs.


It's not the world of tiktok. Resumes have always needed to be like that.


In the US-centric perspective: Most forms of higher-education leave out fundamental job skills graduates need to be successful in the business world. Résumé writing, project management, time management, and team leadership should be covered.

Moreover In terms of compulsory education like K-12, it should also include public service and life-work skills like customer service modeling behavior, personal financial management, civics, and media critical thinking skills because Common Core and NCLBA succeeded only at creating greater mass ignorance.


The last thing we need is to teach people how to do things as they are already done, instead of giving them something that can be used to generate something new. And management skills can’t be taught anyway.


To be honest, I dont think recruiters read the CV anyway.


That's a really standard CV


With this in mind, I'd like to propose an alternative to OP. E.g. he may be extremely unlucky in the following 7 months in his job hunt, and tech is not what it used to be.

If the uses these 7 months to focus on his writing on the other hand... We'll need people with a soul and technical chops to cover this apocalypse (using it in the original sense of the word).


As a writer myself... This comment is somewhat ironic, given that the 'job market' for writers is effectively non existent. Journalism has been whittled down to nothing. Quality fiction isn't read any more - and the remaining outlets are ideologically gatekept. Non fiction, outside of a few celebrity authors, or highly specialised topics, does not sell. The traditional unglamorous but well remunerated writing gigs - technical writing, specialist journals etc, have been GPT'd out of existence. A few legacy and celebrity authors are fine. Others are able to make a living through platforms like Substack - but these are primarily folks who managed to build a large following in traditional media or pre-oligarch twitter. Recommending a young person spend 7 months on their writing is to recommend they lose the guts of a year of their young life on a dead end.


looks at Patreon

Depends what you’re writing about. The chicken xianxia is something like $10k/mo, a Friren-inspired fic is a whopping 30k (and like 3mo old from a complete unknown), and Dungeon Crawler Carl has fully broken out into mainstream.

“Fun” things do seem to be making money, and if they hit a nerve they seem to be wildly successful.


I don't know the most polite way to tell you that you're demonstrating an almost textbook example of survivorship bias. There are 300 million people in the United States and 8 billion in the world, it's trivial to find individual examples of people making a solid living in almost any career you could conceivably imagine, and in many you couldn't.

You're going on the "Writers getting paid" website and sorting by most paid. That's like looking at the top 10 NBA salaries and saying "Basketball players seem to be making money, and if they're good at the game they seem to be wildly successful"

And, notably, a wildly successful writer makes $120,000 a year. So, you know, the same as any employed coder with more than like a year or two of experience. And that's the very highest echelons of a famously incredibly competitive, rapidly shrinking field, with fewer real jobs than probably anything else not also considered an "art" of some sort.


Yes, survivorship bias is probably happening here; but I’m not doing anything like “sorting by paid”. Each of these authors I discovered “organically”; generally through Reddit or Royal Road, any many I’ve been following (on Patreon!) since before they started making $$.

From what I can tell on RR+P; if you write a decent story regularly (or a tremendous story occasionally) you can make some money. If you then also strike a nerve with the audience, you can make a lot.


I agree on the first point. I clicked through to the previous blog entry which I also found to be really good.


I almost get an existential crisis from the fact that this was written by someone in their early 20s


The resume design is incredibly poor. It’s a 90% likely instant reject from me just from the resume. It looks like a resume from someone who does not know what they are doing. How hard is it to copy a resume template from google, seriously…


I don't believe for a second that an intern did all of that stuff.


Agreed; uncommonly good writing, especially for someone with a CS degree.


20 odd years ago when I went to do a CS degree, I discovered that the university had these beautiful buildings called “libraries” and they were filled with all sorts of amazing books! I ended up splitting my time roughly evenly between learning C, SQL and Java and devouring every 19th century English literature book I could get my hands on.

I can’t claim to write as well, but weirdos like us do exist.


It a bit too long to get the main points across. Also, a wall of text is becoming something people ignore, no matter how important it is. Make a video, bring these ideas to life.


No one hiring is watching a video made by a recent grad.


I'd prefer an editor went over this post and condenced this by at least 50%, and then demanded factual references be added.


I see the problem, he went to UWE. You were not told to do that! You were told to go to Bristol!


Yeah, that CV could also use some colors, spacing, and typography to visually highlight key facts.


It's a good enough resume. But half as many words would make it better.


> his resume is designed poorly ... too long

The only readily available link I saw was to his CV, and it was shorter than a lot of resumes. It's wordier per line item than a normal CV, but it's not bad. Assuming it passes a sanity check for AI slop and role fit, as a hiring manager I wouldn't personally mind the length.

Are other people throwing that sort of thing into the circular filing bin?


It seems suspiciously over punctuated to my eyes.


This. The guy should forget about the bullshit jobs he could get in the CS field and just do that same thing full time.

He could be the next Cory Doctorow. He actually writes better.


a good first step would be just formatting it to a standard page size


Sorry but if people aren’t hiring new grads then that new grad resume isn’t getting read. All the formatting in the world can’t fix the situation.


That's actually kinda hard, no?

Say the server has a counter. When you load the page, it's at 57, so it displays that you would be ordering #57. While you're looking at this, someone else loads the page - what number do you show them? If you show 57, then whoever orders first gets it and the other person gets a message "Sorry, not available. Want 58 instead?" but the same thing could then happen to them with #58, too – "Sorry, not available. Want 59 instead?"

So maybe instead you show the 2nd person counter+1, i.e. 58. And you show the 3rd person counter+2, i.e. 59. But what if #59 purchases but 57 and 58 don't? What do you show the NEXT person, 57 or 60?

I'm not saying it's intractable but it merits thought.


The solution is to hide deep into the Terms of Service "Duplicate numbers may occur. You reserve the right to be sued if you complain."


Maybe just show the last purchased number? Then it’s a race to get your order in if you want the next sequential number.


Exactly why we kept it simple. You find out your number when it ships.


What guarantee is there against transit hash collisions?

When two rocks are ordered, several rocks arrive, some with no ID numbers, others with IDs that match previously issued rocks?


IIRC many websites (e.g. for buying concert tickets) have a lock mechanism where you have X amount of time to make your purchase during which time only a limited number of people can be in the checkout process.


We're avoiding any reservation or lock mechanisms entirely. Starting November 1, the site will display 'Most recent fulfillment: Rock #000047' to show systematic progress, but this creates no guarantee for future purchases.

Sequential assignment follows strict order of payment completion only. No race conditions, no held inventory, no time windows. You either complete the transaction and receive the next sequential number, or you don't.

The constraint is designed to eliminate the entire apparatus of purchase optimization, including queue management systems.


It didn't come across to me that way at all, not even a little.


Because you might be in a similar situation.

Don't know if true and if not might be close, but I recently saw the average compensation at Microsoft is ~200k...


I was paid closer to $145k while at Microsoft, and the health insurance fory locality kinda sucked (according to my wife, who manages that part of our lives).

And I didn't stay long enough fory stock grant to vest at all (IIRC).


I was paid closer to $145k while at Microsoft, and the health insurance fory locality kinda sucked (according to my wife, who manages that part of our lives).


I got lowballed by a certain washington state based company. Was no where close to that number.

Edit: was slightly lower than the number the sibling comment mentioned.


Why would moving to an even more authoritarian country be good advice? What?


The point is you'll be doing business in high technology with China, not America. Helps to speak the language when you negotiate.


I disagree with that.

Instead we are seeing increased siloing of scientific domains. The EU is cracking down on EU-Chinese research cooperation (as recent arrests and deportations in France have shown), India still has a de facto freeze on Chinese R&D and China is still enforcing export controls on IP to India, and South Korea and Japan are still controlling any IP generated from their industrial research fusion programs.

We're instead seeing at least 6-7 different scientific and capital ecosystems forming, and with collaboration being tightly controlled by governments.


Assuming that's true... if the largest silo is China I can imagine plenty of people wanting to "defect" to China for their own advancement. But you'll have to speak Chinese.


Most countries and transnational organizations continue to use English as the primary lingua franca, even despite China becoming a major R&D hub.

The EU continues to use English as the lingua franca for scientific communication due to the diversity within the EU.

On the India side, research done as part of the pact with Japan [0], Taiwan [1], South Korea [2], the EU [3], and the US [4] is done in English.

And on the Vietnam side (based on my SO's experience), all of her ASEAN-Japan and ASEAN-SK collaboration was done in English as well.

[0] - https://www.jst.go.jp/inter/english/project/country/india.ht...

[1] - https://www.iitrpr.ac.in/indo-taiwan/

[2] - https://www.ikst.res.in/ikst-en/index.do

[3] - https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/news/all-resear...

[4] - https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/10/the-us-india-...


I find this quite true in my field. Recently I attended the biggest conference in computer vision (CVPR), and almost half the time I was there, I heard Chinese instead of English. Most people I met joked that we should learn Mandarin if we want to continue doing AI research now.


America isn’t the only place that speaks English. It’s the global standard language. When a Japanese and a Chinese person negotiate they are already using English.


That is a wild claim


> That is a wild claim

It is not.

The vast majority of English speakers do not live in the US or the UK. English is the most widely spoken language in the world. If you are at dinner with people from several countries, the "Lingua Franca" will almost certainly be English.

The popularity of Mandarin relies on the sheer mass of native speakers in China. That population is shrinking and that shrinking is expected to accelerate. The cultural export of China is inherently limited by its ideology - there's a reason we have (had, really) "Hong Kong Cinema" not "Peking Cinema".


Which part?


"When a Japanese and a Chinese person negotiate they are already using English"


What language do you think they use?

All Japanese people learn English at school; few learn Chinese as you can verify by reading about the Japanese school system from various sources including Wikipedia.

Similarly in China, English is the only mandatory foreign language taught at school.


> What language do you think they use?

Frequently, Chinese or Japanese. For example companies in these countries employ translators. Are you suggesting they rely on primary school-level English to negotiate?


Other countries have competent language programs, the US is pretty unique in having unbelievably shit education in foreign languages.

That is to say, I would not be surprised if, in China, people are quiet fluent in English.


Who says they only study it in primary school?


You claimed, without a source other than wikipedia, that everyone in Japan learns English in school. I see this [0] on wikipedia which says "a select number of public primary schools ... have mandatory English classes"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_education_in_...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Japan#School_subj...

> The following is the set of compulsory subjects currently taught in the Japanese education system from the primary to secondary levels:

> * Foreign languages: English (rarely: Korean, Spanish, Arabic, French, German, or Chinese)


B/c the next Carnegie Mellon will be there


Because if you want to get a good science education, you need to be in a place that supports science and education. The administration has disrupted the system that made the US the world scientific leader, a status it’s had only since the mid-20th century, which it achieved through concerted government and social investment. Which country is doing that right now?

In 1930, if you wanted access to the great science universities and literature, you learned German. Things can change. Quickly.


And yet invasive species flourish all the time.



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